MN: If I were to tell you to kill innocent babies, that would be bad advice.

Evanjellyfish24: No, duh! You’re off your rocker.

MN: If I were to advise you to refrain from killing innocent babies, that would be generally wise advice.

Evanjellyfish24: Now I know you’re insane.

MN: But if God tells you to to kill innocent babies, you better do it.

Evanjellyfish24: God wouldn’t do that…

MN: He’s done it before, you know:

 “When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it.  And if it responds to you peaceably and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you.  But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it.  And when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword,  but the women and the little ones, the livestock, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as plunder for yourselves. And you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you.  Thus you shall do to all the cities that are very far from you, which are not cities of the nations here.  But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes,  but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God. —Deuteronomy 20:10-18 (ESV)

MN: Whatever is ordered by God is moral and right, no matter what it is.

MN: Even if it is killing innocent babies.

Evanjellyfish24: You’re scary, dude.

Evanjellyfish24: It’s people like you that give Christianity a bad name.

MN: When you fully surrender to Christ, you will do whatever God asks of you, no matter how distasteful you find it.

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MN: Surrender is difficult.

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Alt-rightXtian47: Hey

Alt-rightXtian47: Just discovered your blog.

Alt-rightXtian47: I really like how you called those cucks out for not being willing to kill babies for Christ.

Alt-rightXtian47: BTW, you may like my new article “144,000 Obscure Doctrinal Issues a (Beautiful, Young, Virginal) Woman Must have the Proper View on Before I’ll Consider Marrying her.”

MN: Can I call you Alt?

Alt-rightXtian47: Sure.

MN: Ok, Alt.

MN: What if God tells you to marry a whore?

Alt-rightXtian47: What!?!?!?

MN: What if God tells you to marry a whore?

Alt-rightXtian47: Why would I marry a whore? That would be stupid! Haven’t you looked at statistics? The risk of divorce goes up with the wife’s n-count.

MN: What if God told you to do it?

Alt-rightXtian47: He wouldn’t. The Bible places a high value on virginity.

MN: So it does. But God has commanded that in the past you know:

The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD. —Hosea 1:2 (KJV)

Alt-rightXtian47: I ain’t Hosea.

Alt-rightXtian47: That was a specific command to a specific person, for prophetic purposes.

MN: What if you had been that specific person?

Alt-rightXtian47: I see. You’re just one of those churchians trying to tell me to “man up and marry a slut.”

MN: I’d never tell you to do that. It would be poor advice if I did. I’m just asking what would you do if God told you that.

Alt-rightXtian47: I won’t marry a non-virgin. God won’t ask me to.

MN: You know, often the thing God asks of us is whatever we resist giving to him the most.

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MN: Surrender is difficult.

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TheAlmightyGod: So, Moose, we’re talking about surrender today, eh?

MN: Umm… Yes Lord?

TheAlmightyGod: Good.

TheAlmightyGod: I got some practice for you.

3 thoughts on “Surrender

  1. You can find a lot of that in the old Testament, including to stone Adulterers.
    The problem is when you think “God Says”, or “The Bible Says” – or even the teaching magisterium (Bishops, Pope, Saints), you had better be right.
    Having 2000 years of unchanging teaching makes it easier.

    Abstractions and thought experiments are wonderful because you will never be called to really act on them. Or put some requirement far beyond what Gideon asked with the fleece for God to prove he is talking or saying something.

    You forgot Abraham and Issac. Sacrifice your only son.

    Mark Twain once quipped that he wasn’t bothered as much by the “hard passages” of the bible as much as those things which were clear and as plain as day. The Bible says the just man falls seven times every day. How many times was it a seen or unseen obstacle?

    What if God said to defend innocent babies and stop those who would and have killed them? Like George Tiller and Planned Parenthood.
    The Average Clinic has a higher death toll than the US and EU Muslim terrorism combined over any period.
    It’s almost 60 million dead babies by now. And innocent blood cries out to God (see when Cain killed Abel).

    But this must be a very fuzzy, confusing area, hard to evaluate or understand. It is clearer that being forced to bake a cake for a Gay wedding is intolerable, or those pesky Muslims who might or might not be terrorists, and all those other issues including a lot of “what if?s” that don’t leave time to think about Abortion and what God may have already clearly said about it or that the death toll exceeds Mao and Stalin.

    To make a more general point, St. Paul is very clear and philosophical and reasonable. Many prefer to read his Epistles in favor of the Gospels, though there are only two verses in Red in all of them. This is the same kind of error – not so much itching ears, but losing the clear commands – you will rarely find something in Matthew’s version of Sermon on the Mount (Ch. 5-7) or Luke’s echo that you aren’t doing properly. That should cause much angst and soul searching. Instead, lets read Galatians on the more complex subject of circumcision, or Hebrews about the priesthood, or something else.

    Buying a hundred diet and fitness books will not make you either thin or fit. Not just (readers or) hearers of the word, but doers, but even the most clear and simple commands are hard to do. And the “love your enemies” passages are quite clear, so it isn’t a matter of “If God Commanded”. He already has in unambiguous terms. That and many other things which you cannot obfuscate or escape.

    And time grows short. Soon the time for speculative theology will pass. You will have to know when the wicked day comes what you should do based on your position and station in life.

  2. “Having 2000 years of unchanging teaching makes it easier.” Like purgatory, limbo, transsubtantiation, Mary idolatry, indulgences, the widespread murder during the Reformation, and the Council of Trent? Typical papist propaganda.

    Indeed, we are commanded to things that could be distasteful and seemingly troublesome. After all, it’s for His Glory, not ours.

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